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Steve Cheung's avatar

This is an impressive compilation. Well done.

Primary PCI access is probably a similar metric as some types of specialized imaging (such as cardiac MRI) in terms of reflecting infrastructure buildout relative to population (and the distribution thereof).

What hasn’t been addressed here is cost, and also cost effectiveness as it pertains to health outcomes.

For example, it seems the US has roughly 3x PCI centers per capita as Canada does. At what cost? And how do 3 point MACE outcomes compare?

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Whoa dude - everything is an opportunity cost. Let’s not use abject failure to describe Canadian healthcare. We have great PCI because hospitals need it and they get reimbursed nicely. But if you had less access to pci and better preventive cardiology - which might you choose. You make some great points here - American healthcare is not a shitcan. But it’s an expensive spend way too much not shitcan that has horrid aggregate outcomes.

Claude begs you to dig a bit deeper:

Yes, generally speaking, Canada fares better than the US on heart attack mortality. Here’s what the research shows:

Heart attack death rates: A study published in The BMJ compared heart attack outcomes across six high-income countries — the US, Canada, England, Netherlands, Israel, and Taiwan. It found that the US mortality rate after a heart attack was among the highest of the countries studied, described as “concernedly high,” while Canada performed better.

An interesting tradeoff: The US actually excelled at cardiac revascularization — the high-tech procedures used to treat artery blockages — and had low hospital readmission rates. But despite this technological edge, overall mortality was still higher than in Canada and most other compared countries. Researchers noted the US seems to focus heavily on advanced technology but may be missing something in longer-term post-hospital care.

Canada’s overall cardiovascular trend: Canada’s cardiovascular death rate has dropped significantly over time — from about 247 deaths per 100,000 people in 2000 down to around 197 per 100,000 in 2022, likely due to increased awareness of risk factors and a greater focus on healthy living.

The exact reasons for the US’s higher mortality aren’t fully understood, but researchers point to possible factors like obesity rates, wealth gaps, and medication adherence after hospital discharge. It’s a case where having the most advanced treatments doesn’t automatically translate to the best outcomes.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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The US has a notably higher burden. The US sees an estimated 605,000 new heart attacks and 200,000 recurrent attacks annually — roughly one every 40 seconds. That works out to about 185 new heart attacks per 100,000 people per year in a country of ~330 million.

Canada’s rate is lower by comparison. As of 2012–2013, Canada’s first-heart-attack occurrence rate was about 2.2 per 1,000 adults (or roughly 220 per 100,000 adults aged 20+), down from 3.0 per 1,000 in 2000–2001. However, this is measured only among adults aged 20+, so direct comparison requires care.

So you are correct - if you get a heart attack in a rural area it’s better to be in the US in terms of getting pci for that. But if you are going to be cared for after that in our shitty system where clopidogrel might be $200/month and you stop using it or you have a np cardiology and half engaged actual cardiology further caring for you after - you might not do as well!

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